Sunderland caretaker boss Kevin Ball is a big fan of Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers.
The two meet today at the Stadium of Light.
Ball said: "We did the pro-licence together and he was very receptive and got on smashing with everybody.
"I think when you see him now you see the same Brendan that I saw then. He's really concentrated on coaching.
"He was very fortunate to work under a lot of good people at Chelsea and he would have learned a lot along the way.
"He had his own ideas about how to do things and he's gone out and done what he's done and finally ended up at Liverpool, which is one of the best clubs you could wish to be with, so good on him."
